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05/26/09

The Getback Whip Issue Revisited.

Permalink 07:24:46 pm, by Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. Email , 441 words   English (US)
Categories: News, Articles, Biker Rights, General Legal, Editorial, Other, Criminal Law

California Motorcycle Accident Attorney Norman Gregory Fernandez discusses the Getback WhipI wrote an article on July 6, 2008, about the Getback Whip, which you can read by clicking here now.

In the article I discussed the fact that the Getback Whip is not specifically made illegal by California Code, but that under certain circumstances, the use of a Getback Whip could be construed as a crime.

Since I wrote the article, I have been contacted by people who have been busted with the whip or whips, and have heard that certain prosecutors and law enforcement agencies throughout the State are busting people with Getback Whips by labeling them a “Slungshot” which is a prohibited weapon in the State of California.

A slung shot has been defined as a weight, as a stone or a piece of metal, fastened to a short strap, chain, or the like, and used as a weapon and is prohibited by California Penal Code §12020.

I have not heard the outcome of any of the Getback whip cases, but in my update to the original article, I have opined that you should not have a Getback Whip on your motorcycle in California until this issue gets resolved one way or another, or you risk being charged with a felony. (State Prison for a year or more)

Going one step further; in California Any person who commits an assault upon the person of another with a deadly weapon or instrument other than a firearm or by any means of force likely to produce great bodily injury shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years, or in a county jail for not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment. California Penal Code §245(a)(1).

Basically PC § 245(a)(1) can and is construed to make all types of instruments deadly weapons if they can and do produce great bodily injury. Under this statute, a hammer could be a deadly weapon, a wrench could be a deadly weapon, a screwdriver can be a deadly weapon, a flashlight can be a deadly weapon, and yes a Getback Whip can be a deadly weapon.

It is what you do with the instrument that counts.

Therefore in closing, I am again recommending that based upon the current climate in California, you should remove any Getback Whips from your motorcycle pending the outcome of the Courts decisions in these cases. In no circumstance other than Self Defense with reasonable force, should you use an instrument on someone else which is likely to produce great bodily harm.

Use common sense people.

By California Motorcycle Accident and Biker Lawyer, Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq., © 2009

22 comments

Comment from: howard Levine [Visitor]
One guy was busted with one in Northern California and was offered a deal to attend some Lifestyle class, and it would be expunged.
05/27/09 @ 11:29
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
I have heard of a few reports; they are all from Northern California. I assume in the case you mentioned, he was offered a plea bargain to plead no contest to a felony? Hell, no thanks, it is easier to not ride with the whip.

Norm
05/27/09 @ 12:46
Comment from: Howard Levine [Visitor]
No he was offered to take a diversion class. Then it would be wiped clean.
05/27/09 @ 13:15
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
They usually offer you to plea to something first before they give you diversion and wipe something clean. In any case, who needs the hassle?

Norm
05/27/09 @ 13:22
Comment from: iso [Visitor]
I have two of these whips. Never occured to me that these were illegal anywhere.

Are these whips illegal in any other states as well?

06/10/09 @ 18:21
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Iso I want to make it clear that as of now, a Biker Getback Whip is not expressly illegal in the State of California. What is happening is that people in possession of the whips are being charged with possession of a slungshot. The DA's and Police are not making a distinction between the two.

If there were a way to remove the fastener and still connect the whip to the motorcycle, it should then be OK. However, they could find another reason under existing law to make it illegal. We will have to let the cases work through the system to see how it pans out.

As far as other States, I have not heard anything either way.

Norm
06/11/09 @ 01:42
Comment from: chuck larson [Visitor]
I was arrested in Roesville, Ca for a whip/ slug shot. I will fight it to the end.
07/14/09 @ 09:03
Comment from: pSyChODaVE [Visitor] · http://www.dcampa@bak,rr,com
My local bike shop here in Bakersfield, CA is telling me once in a while CHP officers come in and show others what the whips look like.....AND that they will now arrest instead of cite anyone who has one on the bike
08/07/09 @ 09:31
Comment from: gixxer32404 [Visitor]
I'm not familiar with the whips at all.
08/07/09 @ 10:19
Comment from: Rick, Violators mc [Visitor]
whether its a whip, loud pipe, pocket knife on yer cut, Ape hangers, Chain wallet,ball point pen, toothbrush! it is any excuse to generate revenue for the counties, cities and states as long as we do not fight back against this type of oppression by our public SERVANTS(get it?).and abuse they will continue, If you are hassled PLEASE get the badge # and name of the "Ossifer" and file a complaint! it WILL go in his/her file regardless of the outcome! and remember DO NOT CONSENT TO ANYTHING!! KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! till you can contact legal counsel!...take the connector off and zip tie it! If he stops you he has no cause and you can file!! FTP!!Stand up for yourselves! where would we be if our fore fathers didnt tell the kings men to take a hike?!! HMMM? the more power we give these "Public servants" the less freedoms we have!! join your local COC and Band together! dont be a pussy!!
09/09/09 @ 19:11
I fully agree with Rick, VMCF. We pay these pricks do work for us. Our founding fathers saw this coming. They put protections into place, however, our government did their best to dumb down society and make our citizens believe the Constitution is just a living document that could be changed. Can't everyone see that the government see bikers as an obstacle? We believe in FREEDOM! We have the ability to organize and have been for years. Many bikers are vets. Instead of this pathetic obama administration focusing on islamic terrorists, they focus on patriots and American highwaymen. Rick suggested that we don't say anything or consent to shit. That advise should be taken seriously. Don't let them bullshit you, cops, just like journalists will spin your words. It's not about the whip, it's about big government bending us over.
09/17/09 @ 19:36
Comment from: Morgan [Visitor]
If anyone has to go to court in kali for a slungshot possesion charge, make sure that you point out that the prosecutor, the bailiff or any other male court official in the room is also most likely in possesion of a piece of metal at the end of a strap. You didn't use your getback whip as a weapon, you never intended to use it as a weapon, just the same way as anyone else in the room probably has no intentions of removing their belts to use as weapons. About 11 years ago I was charged with a felony weapon possesion, the item in question was not illegal, but because I didn't choose my words with the officer carefully, they had intent...that's all it takes to make any legal object an illegal weapon.
09/29/09 @ 15:51
Comment from: Paul [Visitor]
On Halloween night(2009) I was nearly run into the sidewalk by a car meging into my lane. I revved my Harly, blew my horn and yelled at the top of my lungs while this lady and her passenger were looking directly at me. Needless to say I want a get-back whip now but stumbled onto this website. Are there any news to the outcome of these being labeled "Slungshots"?
11/01/09 @ 12:30
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Get a mini-beast air horn like I have!

With respect to the getback whips, I know people are being prosecuted for them right now!

Norm
11/01/09 @ 21:01
Comment from: Skip [Visitor]
My buddies get back just got confiscated by a Simi Valley Ca cop, he called it a felony, but no citation was issued.
12/06/09 @ 12:51
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
I am telling you Skip. I know several felony prosecutions that are going on right now. One ended in a hung jury in Van Nuys, CA.

Anybody who is riding with these things on right now is taking a chance.

Norm
12/06/09 @ 12:56
Comment from: Dave Arnold [Visitor]
I am the one who makes the whips for the local bike shop here in Bakersfield, Ca that Pshyco Dave mentioned above. Cops did in fact come by and take a look at them, and although they are not illegal, it was enough for us to re-look the design. The main issue they have with them is the large horse clip on the end and in my opinion, after beating the hell out of a watermelon with one, I have to agree that it can be a very dangerous weapon. That being said, I can not find a single case where one has been used as such. I also tried to remove and swing it while riding up my street and almost dumped the scooter. The new design has no metal at all and if you try and hit some giant biker with one he is going to either like it, or beat the hell out of you, either way the result will not be good. Before we put the new ones out, I plan on asking several agencies thier opinion. I'll let you know how it comes out.
01/01/10 @ 20:10
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Thanks Dave. I know of a case where a jury found that it was not an illegal weapon, and one where they found it was.

Take the metal fastener off of the thing and it probably could not be called a slungshot.

Norm
01/01/10 @ 23:24
Comment from: Cheryl [Visitor]
Hey I wanted to get hold of Dave Arnold, if you read this or anyone knows what bike shop in Bakersfield he works for please let me know. I live in Bakersfield and wanted to get my husband a whip for his Harley and buying one that does not have the metal at the end sounds like a smart idea considering the cops in this area are not "fun". If you have info please let me know. thx!
06/01/10 @ 07:40
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Dave Arnold's email address is killroyy2@yahoo.com .

Good Luck,

Norm
06/01/10 @ 09:56
Comment from: Wigglesworth [Visitor]
I sense that something has shifted in California recently and they've upped the ante on enforcement.

I am of the opinion that USE as a weapon should be the key factor. I don't see how any jury would reach a guilty verdict on a felony count merely based on possession unless the item was specifically outlawed by statute which, as far as I know, it is not.

I understand why your advice is to take them off but I feel that is sad. Police should be keying in on usage and not possession. The vast majority of riders with these whips are law abiding.
07/08/10 @ 12:52
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
That is the point Wigglesworth, these whips are not specifically outlawed as a dangerous weapon. Prosecutors are claiming it is a slungshot which is prohibited.

Norm
07/08/10 @ 12:55

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