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06/22/07

Transporting a Gun on Your Motorcycle.

Permalink 12:30:39 am, by Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. Email , 1054 words   English (US)
Categories: News, Articles, Biker Rights, General Legal, Editorial, Regulations

California Motorycle Accident Lawyer Attorney Norman Gregory Fernandez discusses transporting firearms on a motorcycle.First off, I am not giving legal advice by this article. You should always check with a lawyer in your respective State on the issue of transporting a gun on a motorcycle or in another type of vehicle. If in doubt, call a lawyer!

Generally Bikers and Motorcyclist are allowed by law to transport a Gun on their motorcycle just like people in Cars or Cagers. I do not want to confuse the issue of transporting a gun, and carrying a gun, they are two different things.

Carrying a gun means that you have it on your person. This article does not cover carrying a gun on your person. The purpose of this article is to discuss the legality of transporting a gun on your motorcycle, especially when crossing State Lines.

There are generally two areas of law dealing with transporting guns in vehicles; Federal, and State Law. The vast majority of States will NOT let you transport a loaded gun in any type of vehicle without a permit, and MOST States have certain restrictions that are applicable to transporting guns in vehicles.

Federal Law generally states that; Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s
compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Code of Federal Regulations Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, § 926a.

Basically, no State can prohibit all transportation of guns or firearms because it would be violative of Federal Law and the United States Constitution, however States are allowed to regulate how they are transported. A State can also restrict certain classes of persons from carrying or transporting firearms, such as persons convicted of a felony, persons with psychiatric conditions, and so forth.

So how do you legally transport a firearm on a motorcycle, especially if you are crossing State Lines? First off you must legally be able to possess a firearm in any jurisdiction that you are traveling in! It is safe to say that those who have been convicted of felonies, or have restraining orders preventing them from having firearms, already know that they should not be transporting a gun, and that it is probably illegal for them to do so. If you are in doubt, talk to a lawyer from your State or a State in which you are traveling in.

I recommend that if you are going to transport firearms on a motorcycle that you keep the firearm unloaded, and locked in a gun box or portable gun safe. If it is an automatic or semi-automatic weapon do not put any clips in the weapon and keep the breach or slide open if possible, even when it is locked in the box or safe. It if is a revolver, take the cylinder off of the weapon and lock the gun in the box.

With respect to clips and cylinders for your weapon, I recommend keeping them in a separate locked box, and make sure that no bullets or ammunition are in the cylinders or clips.

With respect to ammunition, I recommend keeping all ammunition in a third separate locked box or container.

Now you are thinking; how the hell do I carry all of this on my motorcycle. I recommend that you keep the gun in its locked container in one saddlebag, and the two separate locked boxes for your clips, cylinders, and ammunition in the opposite saddlebag. Now you are probably asking the question; what if I do not have saddlebags? The simple answer is that if you want to transport a firearm on your motorcycle safely without being arrested and going to jail, you better go out and get some, especially if you are traveling across State lines!

Finally there is the issue of security and liability for firearms in your saddlebags. I know that most saddlebags open and close with simple leather buckles. If someone were to open your saddlebags and steal your firearms, ammo, or clips and cylinders, you could be held liable for not adequately securing your weapons and ammo. If you can, get a locking saddlebag such as Leatherlyke's or the hard type of bags that I have on my Harley Davidson Electra Glide. There are also special locking straps on certain types of saddlebags, or you can take your bags to a Shoe Repair or Leather Tailor to custom manufacture a locking strap for your saddlebags.

I know that there are many of you in certain States that are probably thinking; “I don’t have to worry about this in my State.” If you know the law of your State and you are not going to be traveling or crossing across State lines, than follow the law of your State.

As for me, I regularly ride across State lines, and I always error on the side of caution. The gist of interstate travel with firearms is that you are not supposed to be able to get at the weapon or ammunition so you can shoot someone. Look at the Federal Law above! Many of you are thinking; “what good is it if I cannot get to my firearm in a moments notice?” This is not the point of this article! The point of this article is how to legally transport a gun on your motorcycle.

With respect to the right of all Americans to bear arms for self defense, hunting, target practice, etc. I am a 2nd Amendment man all of the way. Unfortunately in most if not many States, guns are highly regulated.

So if you are going to be traveling across State Lines with firearms on a motorcycle protect yourself.

By Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq., © 2007

18 comments

Comment from: Ricky Lee [Visitor]
Great topic that we need to know about. Could you write anything about transporting a firearm across state lines if you have a concealed carry license?
06/23/07 @ 18:11
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Yes I am planning a CCW article. Generally CCW's are only valid in the State they were issued in. This is a totally different subject altogether!

Norm
06/23/07 @ 18:16
Comment from: Gary [Visitor]
How's it going Norm?
I was wondering if a steel strand cable with a padlock like those for bicycle locking use would be legal if it was passed through the cylinder and/or barrel? seems it would take up a lot less space.
06/23/07 @ 19:58
Comment from: Gary [Visitor]
As I now remember, a zippered canvas pistol pouch with rings on the zipper for a luggage padlock was legal at one time in Ca. I wonder if it still is?

Also, does a trigger lock constitute a legal locked condition?
06/23/07 @ 20:05
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
The gun does not have to be locked to transport it, I just recommend it. I use a hard case myself, but a pouch would work too.

The idea is the the gun, ammo, clips and/or cylinders cannot be readily accessible from your riding position and they must be separated!

To error on the side of caution I would follow the recommendations I put in the article.
06/23/07 @ 20:11
Comment from: DC [Visitor] · http://n/a
Hi Mr. Fernandez - xclnt site. Thx for bringing it to us. I'm just a common man (Sovereign) living and working in California state who has taken some time to read statutes / crt decisions. I remember a judge once saying 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. So in keeping w/ our founding fathers (excersing my fundamental Right of free speech of law and crt decisions) here's a little of what I'm found regarding the term 'person' listed.

The word “person” in legal terminology is perceived as a general word which normally includes in its scope a variety of entities ‘other than human beings’. See 1 U.S.C. sec 1 also Church of Scientolgy v. U.S. Dept of Justice (1979) 612F.2d 417, 425

"A Sovereign is exempt from suit, not because of any formal conception or obsolete theory, but on the logical and practical ground that there can be no legal Right as against the authority that makes the law on which the Right depends." Kawananakoa v. Polyblank, 205 U.S. 349, 353, 27 S. Ct. 526, 527, 51 L. Ed. 834 (1907).

And the United States Supreme Court held, that "in common usage, the term "person" does not include the Sovereign, statutes employing the person are ordinarily construed to exclude the Sovereign." Wilson v. Omaha Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667 (1979) (quoting United States v. Cooper Corp., 312 U.S. 600, 604 (1941)). See also United States v. Mine Workers, 330 U.S. 258, 275 (1947).

Hope this helps.
DC
07/06/07 @ 15:14
Comment from: Eric [Visitor]
So would you recomend obtaining a CCW if I have no intentions to cross state lines on my bike with my weapon and I have no saddle bags? I am a Florida resident in the military stationed in California and a have a Florida permit. How easy is it to get one in California?
07/15/07 @ 11:23
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
My article was related to transporting a gun on your motorcycle, especially across State lines. It is not about obtaining a CCW in California. However, I will respond to your comments.

California will not honor your CCW permit from Florida. If you want to obtain a CCW in California, you will have to apply through the Sheriff of the County in which you live. In certain counties in California it is almost impossible to get one, in other counties it is easy. It all depends on which county you live in.

You may be able to get the application online from the Sheriff of the county in California where you live.

Good luck,

Norm
07/15/07 @ 12:40
Comment from: Robert (Bob) Thomson [Visitor]
Greg,

Thank you for the advice. I am taking a trip on my bike from NH to Sturgis for a day, then touring around S. Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, & Utah for the entire month of August. I will visit, photograph and keep a daily journal of my experiences and impressions of our national parks and monuments. I am a teacher and don't want to be busted, but I also don't want to be victimized by wackos since I will be camping and alone. I will carry a firearm w/the clips and ammo as you suggest.

Semper Fidelis,

Bob

07/30/07 @ 13:43
Comment from: Robert (Bob) Thomson [Visitor]
Norm,

I passed right over the Norman. After I sent the email, I noticed your first name.

Semper Fi

Bob Thomson
07/30/07 @ 13:46
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
No problem Bob!

Norm
07/30/07 @ 18:29
Comment from: David [Visitor]
Gun Safe for Motorcycles found!

I just found several potential solutions for transporting handguns on motorcycles. A company in California is selling several variations of mobile handgun safes that have application for securing handguns. 1) they have a steel vault that is made specifically for Harley Davidson Saddle Bags. The safe is made from 12 gauge steel, and is available in a key or combo lock. The interesting part of the safe, is that it also locks the saddle bag down, so you can't steel that either. 2) they have a flexible safe that has a security cable attached so you can lock the handgun in the safe, then lock the safe down with an attached steel cable. Go to www.corporatetravelsafety.com and look at the firearm, motorcycle, and travel safe sections. I have never seen a gun safe for motorcycles before.
02/08/08 @ 19:24
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Thanks for the link David!

Norm
02/08/08 @ 20:26
Comment from: Mark [Visitor]
Every state from the East coast to Texas, south of and including states along I-40 have a reciprocal agreement with each other to honor each others concealed carry permits. This is the best way, if you have a clean record, and it takes the worry out of yout trip. You can carry it anywhere and not worry about it. Go to your attorney general website and find the link to handguns. All the info is there listing states that have agreements with your state. I know because I just got a CCP and checked it out for a bike trip I am taking to New Mexico. New Mexico I am not sure about but they do not seem to have a law specifically against it. The 30 states I know that have reciprocal agreements are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indian, Kansas, Kentucky, La, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, NH, ND, Ohio, Ok, Penn, SC, SD, Tenn, Tex, Utah, Va, Wash and West Va.
Mark
02/10/08 @ 12:27
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Thanks for the info Mark.

I am again reiterating that my article was not intended to discuss carrying a weapon on your person or the CCW issue. Furthermore, I would do some serious research before I would or could recommend to anyone that it is OK to carry a gun on your person, across State lines, because a website says it is OK to do so. You could end up in jail or prison due to a blunder!

I would recommend that if you intend to travel across State lines with a CCW from let's say State "X," that you consult with a lawyer in each State in which you want to travel with a State "X" CCW, to determine whether that particular State will honor your CCW. It is better to be safe than sorry.

Norm
02/10/08 @ 12:57
Comment from: Bryce [Visitor]
I don't know whether these guys will sell to "normal" people, but take a look at this motorcycle hard case with electronic weapon lock:

http://bigskyracks.com/presskit.html
(Click on the "ELS-285")

Also, I wonder if the ELS-270 would mount on the handlebars...(obviously I'd not try to leave Montana if I had my DPMS LR308 across the handlebars :) )

Thanks for the link!
08/18/08 @ 18:54
Comment from: Mark [Visitor]
What about long arms? I only have a shotgun and frequently go to my gun club. I no longer have a car and only have my motorcycle. How do I transport the shotgun?
02/01/09 @ 18:29
Comment from: Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq. [Member] · http://www.bikerlawyer.net
Long arms are a tricky subject. You should be able to carry it with the breach open, and in a locked soft or hard case, with ammo in a separate saddlebag not readily accessible, but you and I both know that you will probably get harassed by law enforcement. Your best bet is to check with an attorney in the areas where you are traveling.

Norm
02/01/09 @ 18:37

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